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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6212</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel - Thanks for the comment. You&#039;re right about Japan, of course, and the same could also be said about the vast majority of the world&#039;s population historically. Most &quot;religions&quot; haven&#039;t really even had a separate identity as such; there were simply different orders or medicine societies or pilgrimage associations that people could join for shorter ar longer lengths of time, depending on their need; society-wide initiation rituals; and a welter of other activities and beliefs aimed at healing and preserving harmony between individuals, society, nature, and the dead. Japan is unique only in being the largest and most modern nation-state to preserve this ancient way of being. And of course, it has also produced its share of highly original religious thinkers worthy of export: Bankei, Shinran, Dogen, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel &#8211; Thanks for the comment. You&#8217;re right about Japan, of course, and the same could also be said about the vast majority of the world&#8217;s population historically. Most &#8220;religions&#8221; haven&#8217;t really even had a separate identity as such; there were simply different orders or medicine societies or pilgrimage associations that people could join for shorter ar longer lengths of time, depending on their need; society-wide initiation rituals; and a welter of other activities and beliefs aimed at healing and preserving harmony between individuals, society, nature, and the dead. Japan is unique only in being the largest and most modern nation-state to preserve this ancient way of being. And of course, it has also produced its share of highly original religious thinkers worthy of export: Bankei, Shinran, Dogen, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6211</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual your start and finish did a good job in twisting my expectations right into an unattached pretzel. I love it when refurbishing an old room  becomes a discussion on the merits and demerits of joining organized religion, but not before touching upon the significance of droning in music.

Since you also lived in Japan you must have wondered about the way Japanese manage to run a society without any particular commitment to organized religion. People outside Japan often seem to think of Japanese as &quot;Buddhist&quot; or &quot;Shinto&quot;, but in truth they are both and neither and seem to slip from one philosophy to another without any of the western sense of inconsistency. I know of almost no one who &quot;goes to church&quot; and no one who argues about evolution or  thinks it strange to go to a Shinto priest for a birth naming, a Christian church for a wedding, and a Buddhist temple for a funeral. In fact, the Japanese are the most intrinsically &quot;unattached&quot; people I know. And yet they lead lives filled with ethos.  Living here has helped me more to find no need to look for or single out any of the organized religions than any of the long discussions I&#039;ve had about all of them. It&#039;s one of the things I love about Japan, that ability to look at the roots of living as a very down-to-earth relationship with the &quot;real world&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual your start and finish did a good job in twisting my expectations right into an unattached pretzel. I love it when refurbishing an old room  becomes a discussion on the merits and demerits of joining organized religion, but not before touching upon the significance of droning in music.</p>
<p>Since you also lived in Japan you must have wondered about the way Japanese manage to run a society without any particular commitment to organized religion. People outside Japan often seem to think of Japanese as &#8220;Buddhist&#8221; or &#8220;Shinto&#8221;, but in truth they are both and neither and seem to slip from one philosophy to another without any of the western sense of inconsistency. I know of almost no one who &#8220;goes to church&#8221; and no one who argues about evolution or  thinks it strange to go to a Shinto priest for a birth naming, a Christian church for a wedding, and a Buddhist temple for a funeral. In fact, the Japanese are the most intrinsically &#8220;unattached&#8221; people I know. And yet they lead lives filled with ethos.  Living here has helped me more to find no need to look for or single out any of the organized religions than any of the long discussions I&#8217;ve had about all of them. It&#8217;s one of the things I love about Japan, that ability to look at the roots of living as a very down-to-earth relationship with the &#8220;real world&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6210</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith - That sounds about right.

maria - Which album do you have, I wonder? He recorded so freakin&#039; many - there&#039;s very little chance I know it!

beth - Thanks. O.K., I&#039;ll make it a &quot;best of,&quot; if you insist, but I have a lot more to say in this line.

rr - Well, the cracks got varnished too, of course, though I don&#039;t think it affected their basic grooviness all that much.

Rachel - You&#039;re right about originality; what I really meant was novelty. If one hatches a thought on one&#039;s own, it&#039;s still original, even if it isn&#039;t novel.

Also, not to get all semantically correct (SC?) on you, but what I was talking about wasn&#039;t so much the apophatic way -- that&#039;s, like, the &lt;em&gt;Ayn Sof&lt;/em&gt; of Kabbalah -- as just plain skepticism, I think. I extend my skepticism further than most agnostics or atheists, however: I not only question the existence of heaven and hell (and any transcendent or descendent inhabitants they might have), I question my own existence, too. 

Brett - Nope, not too attached to non-attachment, really. As i said in the comments to &lt;a href=&quot;http://koshtra.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html#65897160996286542&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dale&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; yesterday, there&#039;s another side to this that I didn&#039;t have time to go into: the whole beauty/magic thing, David Abram&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Spell-Sensuous-Perception-Language-More-Than-Human/dp/0679776397&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;spell of the sensuous.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; I do feel the commandment against idolatry is key to the Abrahamic traditions, but I like to have it both ways, as you&#039;ll see in today&#039;s post. In other words, I think idolatry gets a bad rap sometimes. Totally inconsistent, I know.

&quot;Feel good&quot;: feel secure, or vindicated, or reassured, or otherwise confirmed in one&#039;s own preconceptions. Feeling good in the sense of an aesthetic, wondering or awestruck response, on the other hand, is often the beginning of true discovery. (See Dale&#039;s bit about beauty.)

Dick - I&#039;m sorry about that. I figured a link that only North Americans could use was better than no link at all. If I find a better service, you can bet I&#039;ll link to that, instead. I tried making a recording straight from my boombox for y&#039;all, but even with all the effects in the Audacity software, my cheap-ass mike still made it sound like shit.

Hal - Yeah, fear of death has spoiled religion, along with so many other things. But it has given us a lot of good ghost stories and zombie films! And communion, yeah - that&#039;s another big part of being in the groove that I didn&#039;t have time to go into here.

Glad to &quot;meet&quot; another Hooker-n-Heat fan! Canned Heat was one of the few 60s blues-rock bands I really respect, and they knew how to get out of the way and let Hooker be himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith &#8211; That sounds about right.</p>
<p>maria &#8211; Which album do you have, I wonder? He recorded so freakin&#8217; many &#8211; there&#8217;s very little chance I know it!</p>
<p>beth &#8211; Thanks. O.K., I&#8217;ll make it a &#8220;best of,&#8221; if you insist, but I have a lot more to say in this line.</p>
<p>rr &#8211; Well, the cracks got varnished too, of course, though I don&#8217;t think it affected their basic grooviness all that much.</p>
<p>Rachel &#8211; You&#8217;re right about originality; what I really meant was novelty. If one hatches a thought on one&#8217;s own, it&#8217;s still original, even if it isn&#8217;t novel.</p>
<p>Also, not to get all semantically correct (SC?) on you, but what I was talking about wasn&#8217;t so much the apophatic way &#8212; that&#8217;s, like, the <em>Ayn Sof</em> of Kabbalah &#8212; as just plain skepticism, I think. I extend my skepticism further than most agnostics or atheists, however: I not only question the existence of heaven and hell (and any transcendent or descendent inhabitants they might have), I question my own existence, too. </p>
<p>Brett &#8211; Nope, not too attached to non-attachment, really. As i said in the comments to <a href="http://koshtra.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html#65897160996286542" rel="nofollow">Dale&#8217;s post</a> yesterday, there&#8217;s another side to this that I didn&#8217;t have time to go into: the whole beauty/magic thing, David Abram&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Spell-Sensuous-Perception-Language-More-Than-Human/dp/0679776397" rel="nofollow">&#8220;spell of the sensuous.&#8221;</a> I do feel the commandment against idolatry is key to the Abrahamic traditions, but I like to have it both ways, as you&#8217;ll see in today&#8217;s post. In other words, I think idolatry gets a bad rap sometimes. Totally inconsistent, I know.</p>
<p>&#8220;Feel good&#8221;: feel secure, or vindicated, or reassured, or otherwise confirmed in one&#8217;s own preconceptions. Feeling good in the sense of an aesthetic, wondering or awestruck response, on the other hand, is often the beginning of true discovery. (See Dale&#8217;s bit about beauty.)</p>
<p>Dick &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry about that. I figured a link that only North Americans could use was better than no link at all. If I find a better service, you can bet I&#8217;ll link to that, instead. I tried making a recording straight from my boombox for y&#8217;all, but even with all the effects in the Audacity software, my cheap-ass mike still made it sound like shit.</p>
<p>Hal &#8211; Yeah, fear of death has spoiled religion, along with so many other things. But it has given us a lot of good ghost stories and zombie films! And communion, yeah &#8211; that&#8217;s another big part of being in the groove that I didn&#8217;t have time to go into here.</p>
<p>Glad to &#8220;meet&#8221; another Hooker-n-Heat fan! Canned Heat was one of the few 60s blues-rock bands I really respect, and they knew how to get out of the way and let Hooker be himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6209</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post.   

First of all I have loved the song Burning Hell ever since I first heard it, I really identify with the at-home defiance of the song.  The entire Hooker-n-Heat album is absolutely fantastic.

Why are so many of us afraid of death?  It really is the cause of a lot of our misery. 

However, below all of that, the beauty of communion is still there to be...   shared.

Friends don&#039;t let friends groove alone.  

OMen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post.   </p>
<p>First of all I have loved the song Burning Hell ever since I first heard it, I really identify with the at-home defiance of the song.  The entire Hooker-n-Heat album is absolutely fantastic.</p>
<p>Why are so many of us afraid of death?  It really is the cause of a lot of our misery. </p>
<p>However, below all of that, the beauty of communion is still there to be&#8230;   shared.</p>
<p>Friends don&#8217;t let friends groove alone.  </p>
<p>OMen</p>
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		<title>By: Dick</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6208</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, Dave - all good stuff. I&#039;ve just come from koshtra where I left a comment. Wish I&#039;d read you first: I&#039;d have written with a clearer mind!

Sadly, the Hooker link won&#039;t work outside the States. Could have done with some profane early morning boogie. &#039;Let that boy boogie-woogie &#039;cause you know it&#039;s in him and it&#039;s just got to come out&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, Dave &#8211; all good stuff. I&#8217;ve just come from koshtra where I left a comment. Wish I&#8217;d read you first: I&#8217;d have written with a clearer mind!</p>
<p>Sadly, the Hooker link won&#8217;t work outside the States. Could have done with some profane early morning boogie. &#8216;Let that boy boogie-woogie &#8217;cause you know it&#8217;s in him and it&#8217;s just got to come out&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6207</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks - I&#039;ve been neglecting comments in favor of updating the smorgasblog and catching up with my blog reading (plus i was offline most of the day). I&#039;ll try and respond to these tomorrow, inshallah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks &#8211; I&#8217;ve been neglecting comments in favor of updating the smorgasblog and catching up with my blog reading (plus i was offline most of the day). I&#8217;ll try and respond to these tomorrow, inshallah.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6206</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is a good post.  I hope you&#039;re not getting too attached to non-attachment, though.  And I&#039;m not being flippant here.  Just as there is no such thing as &quot;all things in moderation,&quot; there may not be any such thing as non-attachment.  

&lt;em&gt;As I&#039;ve said before, one of my base assumptions is that if some doctrine or dogma makes me feel good, it can&#039;t possibly be true.&lt;/em&gt;

What do you mean &quot;feel good&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this is a good post.  I hope you&#8217;re not getting too attached to non-attachment, though.  And I&#8217;m not being flippant here.  Just as there is no such thing as &#8220;all things in moderation,&#8221; there may not be any such thing as non-attachment.  </p>
<p><em>As I&#8217;ve said before, one of my base assumptions is that if some doctrine or dogma makes me feel good, it can&#8217;t possibly be true.</em></p>
<p>What do you mean &#8220;feel good&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6205</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. I&#039;m with Beth. This is quintessential VN stuff right here.

I tend to figure originality is over-rated. Shakespeare wasn&#039;t doing anything particularly original, but what he did, he did well.

I imagine you won&#039;t be surprised to hear me assert that there&#039;s no necessary disjunction (for me) between following a theistic spiritual path and acknowledging the wisdom of apophatic discourse. But I&#039;m like that; I want to have my cake and eat it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I&#8217;m with Beth. This is quintessential VN stuff right here.</p>
<p>I tend to figure originality is over-rated. Shakespeare wasn&#8217;t doing anything particularly original, but what he did, he did well.</p>
<p>I imagine you won&#8217;t be surprised to hear me assert that there&#8217;s no necessary disjunction (for me) between following a theistic spiritual path and acknowledging the wisdom of apophatic discourse. But I&#8217;m like that; I want to have my cake and eat it too.</p>
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		<title>By: rr</title>
		<link>http://www.vianegativa.us/2007/10/groove/#comment-6204</link>
		<dc:creator>rr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit I would probably have varnished over the small bits of dirt, particularly the hairs, but pushing them into the cracks is also good. 

Wonderful. And the Seussian window(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit I would probably have varnished over the small bits of dirt, particularly the hairs, but pushing them into the cracks is also good. </p>
<p>Wonderful. And the Seussian window(s).</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always loved John Lee Hooker. But that&#039;s not what I love most about this post. Maybe you don&#039;t have original insights on doubt, Dave - few of us do - but you have a very original way of writing about it. Put this one in the &quot;best of VN&quot; folder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always loved John Lee Hooker. But that&#8217;s not what I love most about this post. Maybe you don&#8217;t have original insights on doubt, Dave &#8211; few of us do &#8211; but you have a very original way of writing about it. Put this one in the &#8220;best of VN&#8221; folder.</p>
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