Comments on: Out of place? http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/ How can we live without the unknown before us? —Rene Char Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:48:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Generation 5 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6984 Generation 5 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:00:35 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6984 <strong>Intrusion of the Real...</strong> Dave Bonta  photographs a red hawk on the Penn State campus,  and meditates on how people’s experience of nature is conditioned by our shared hyperreality.   Dave notes that ‘a helpful webpage on film sound clichés, “the Red-Tailed Ha... Intrusion of the Real…

Dave Bonta  photographs a red hawk on the Penn State campus,  and meditates on how people’s experience of nature is conditioned by our shared hyperreality.   Dave notes that ‘a helpful webpage on film sound clichés, “the Red-Tailed Ha…

]]> By: Dave http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6983 Dave Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:03:09 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6983 Hi Sally - Thanks for stopping by. I agree — and the great-horned owl is a good bird-of-prey precedent. Even the barred owl seems to be adapting to a younger and more fragmented forest. These creatures are nowhere near as human-adapted as Norway rats or cockroaches yet, but give them time. Hi Sally – Thanks for stopping by. I agree — and the great-horned owl is a good bird-of-prey precedent. Even the barred owl seems to be adapting to a younger and more fragmented forest. These creatures are nowhere near as human-adapted as Norway rats or cockroaches yet, but give them time.

]]> By: Sally http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6982 Sally Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:25:25 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6982 Wonderful post, Dave. I'm thinking redtails must be THE urban (or people tolerant) hawk, joining other wildlife such as Norway rats, cockroaches, turkey vultures, house sparrows, great horned owls... those that will continue and even prosper in our human environments. Even the "adapted-to-persecution" coyote... It's nice to know we'll still have wildlife with us, just a more limited palette than some of us would prefer. Great photos and story! Wonderful post, Dave. I’m thinking redtails must be THE urban (or people tolerant) hawk, joining other wildlife such as Norway rats, cockroaches, turkey vultures, house sparrows, great horned owls… those that will continue and even prosper in our human environments. Even the “adapted-to-persecution” coyote… It’s nice to know we’ll still have wildlife with us, just a more limited palette than some of us would prefer.

Great photos and story!

]]> By: Lucy http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6981 Lucy Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:17:37 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6981 Fantastic! Buzzards are called 'tourists' eagles' in Scotland. Fantastic!

Buzzards are called ‘tourists’ eagles’ in Scotland.

]]> By: Dave http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6980 Dave Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:51:48 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6980 Thanks for stopping by. I always enjoy your red-shouldered reports and pictures. It sounds as if that species is adapting as well as its buteo cousin in the east. Thanks for stopping by. I always enjoy your red-shouldered reports and pictures. It sounds as if that species is adapting as well as its buteo cousin in the east.

]]> By: robin andrea http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6979 robin andrea Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:10:47 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6979 Stunning hawk photos, dave. I especially like the first one, but am intrigued by the one you didn't post and are saving for Visual Soma. I'm looking forward to seeing that one. We have a Red-shouldered hawk that hunts our neighborhood. It always surprises me to see it perched on the roof of our neighbor's house. People walk by and never even glance up at it. It's like the wild world has fallen completely off their radar. Stunning hawk photos, dave. I especially like the first one, but am intrigued by the one you didn’t post and are saving for Visual Soma. I’m looking forward to seeing that one. We have a Red-shouldered hawk that hunts our neighborhood. It always surprises me to see it perched on the roof of our neighbor’s house. People walk by and never even glance up at it. It’s like the wild world has fallen completely off their radar.

]]> By: Dave http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6978 Dave Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:09:24 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6978 Theriomorph - There's a standing invitation to all regular Via Negativa readers who aren't crazed stalkers. I am living in a Guest House, after all. Dogs are also welcome. So far Lorianne of Hoarded Ordinaries (with dog) and Tom Montag of the Middlewesterner are the only bloggers to have taken me up on this unadvertised invite. Theriomorph – There’s a standing invitation to all regular Via Negativa readers who aren’t crazed stalkers. I am living in a Guest House, after all. Dogs are also welcome. So far Lorianne of Hoarded Ordinaries (with dog) and Tom Montag of the Middlewesterner are the only bloggers to have taken me up on this unadvertised invite.

]]> By: Theriomorph http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6977 Theriomorph Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:02:15 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6977 <blockquote>boring ol' Pennsylvania still kicks Vermont's ass in overall biodiversity. :)</blockquote> I love boring ol' Pennsylvania. Someday you'll invite me over. Mainly, once the coyotes had my motives down as being a weird, naked, clumsy, slow, coyote wannabe, their reaction was: "Oh, it's you again." And then they'd leave.

boring ol’ Pennsylvania still kicks Vermont’s ass in overall biodiversity. :)

I love boring ol’ Pennsylvania. Someday you’ll invite me over.

Mainly, once the coyotes had my motives down as being a weird, naked, clumsy, slow, coyote wannabe, their reaction was: “Oh, it’s you again.”

And then they’d leave.

]]> By: Dave http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6976 Dave Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:15:58 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6976 Yeah, I envy you your tantalizing encounters with megafauna (the wolf tracks post last week left me green!) and proximity to real wilderness. But just remember this: boring ol' Pennsylvania still kicks Vermont's ass in overall biodiversity. :) I don't doubt what you say about the ability of wild animals to distinguish between individual humans, and even sense something of their motives. I hope you do write about that. Yeah, I envy you your tantalizing encounters with megafauna (the wolf tracks post last week left me green!) and proximity to real wilderness. But just remember this: boring ol’ Pennsylvania still kicks Vermont’s ass in overall biodiversity. :)

I don’t doubt what you say about the ability of wild animals to distinguish between individual humans, and even sense something of their motives. I hope you do write about that.

]]> By: Theriomorph http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/out-of-place/#comment-6975 Theriomorph Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:43:57 +0000 http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/02/01/out-of-place/#comment-6975 <blockquote>But for the sake of their survival as a species, history suggests that animals are much better off if they have adapted to us at least to the point of knowing to flee or hide from us when they encounter us alone in a dark alley of trees.</blockquote> Very true. Have had the opportunity to live in close and long proximity, though, to healthy, non-trash-adapted wild animals who had gotten familiar-ish with humans without getting tied up with them - and what I've seen is that some really do analyze individuals over time and come to varying determinations about them (coyotes especially). May have to write more about that. Massive affection for the redtails, who do well pretty much everywhere (except highways). Now that I'm further north than I was and on the edge of a much larger expanse of real wilderness, I'm seeing a lot more ravens, more peregrines - fewer redtails and bald eagles. Wolf tracks, no coyotes (I'm sure they're nearby, just not within howling distance). Foxes. Lots more weasel-family critters, the same amount of deer. And of course, moose.

But for the sake of their survival as a species, history suggests that animals are much better off if they have adapted to us at least to the point of knowing to flee or hide from us when they encounter us alone in a dark alley of trees.

Very true.

Have had the opportunity to live in close and long proximity, though, to healthy, non-trash-adapted wild animals who had gotten familiar-ish with humans without getting tied up with them – and what I’ve seen is that some really do analyze individuals over time and come to varying determinations about them (coyotes especially). May have to write more about that.

Massive affection for the redtails, who do well pretty much everywhere (except highways).

Now that I’m further north than I was and on the edge of a much larger expanse of real wilderness, I’m seeing a lot more ravens, more peregrines – fewer redtails and bald eagles. Wolf tracks, no coyotes (I’m sure they’re nearby, just not within howling distance). Foxes. Lots more weasel-family critters, the same amount of deer.

And of course, moose.

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