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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, you&#039;re right about white oaks. And the Norway maple invasion is another issue I didn&#039;t want to get into, but we have them, too, especially in the lower third of the hollow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;re right about white oaks. And the Norway maple invasion is another issue I didn&#8217;t want to get into, but we have them, too, especially in the lower third of the hollow.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here in northern Missouri we don&#039;t have native Red Maples, but the Acer rubrum/Acer saccharinum clones such as Autumn Blaze are increasingly common in city and town environments, and they have dependable fall color.  Luckily they haven&#039;t become feral and invasive, like the Norway Maples in the eastern states.

As for the oaks, every few years the White Oaks (Quercus alba) display subtle but stunning fall leaf colors, consisting of a range of shades from rose-purple to grayish-violet-purple.  I wish it happened more often!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in northern Missouri we don&#8217;t have native Red Maples, but the Acer rubrum/Acer saccharinum clones such as Autumn Blaze are increasingly common in city and town environments, and they have dependable fall color.  Luckily they haven&#8217;t become feral and invasive, like the Norway Maples in the eastern states.</p>
<p>As for the oaks, every few years the White Oaks (Quercus alba) display subtle but stunning fall leaf colors, consisting of a range of shades from rose-purple to grayish-violet-purple.  I wish it happened more often!</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a crackerjack theory, very colorful, full of happy coincidence, it&#039;s a binder of loose threads.  I dig it, and I&#039;m a big Overkill theory fan.  Just read the lurid &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Cycle-Cosmic-Catastrophes-Stone-Age-Changed/dp/1591430615&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt;.  Read Overkill&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Mammoths-Extinctions-Rewilding-Environments/dp/product-description/0520252438&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Ghosts-Evolution-Nonsensical-Ecological-Anachronisms/dp/0465005527/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8720426-9176610?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1193057634&#038;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Frontier-Ecological-History-America/dp/0802138888/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8720426-9176610?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1193057515&#038;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;others&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, we will bide while they gnash this out.  But I&#039;d love to chat about it!   The late Pleistocene fauna is stupendous.  What a thing to go missing!  It is beyond me to grasp the riches.  Have you ever cataloged all the fauna so recently gone missing from Plummer&#039;s Hollow?  Overkill author Martin stresses that you&#039;re missing half the picture of the present if you don&#039;t visualize the missing fauna.   It seems animals must have been so very thick upon the land.  Have you seen the lists?  Your woods must have been very different then.  Imagine that man speared all of this into oblivion!   I think it is all too easy to under-appreciate the diversity, the spread, the sheer numbers, the vitality of those lost beasts.    Martin&#039;s Overkill dwells the possibility of a dodo-like lack of fear of man.  It is easy to see the susceptibility of a giant ground sloth to the novelty of a spear cast from a distance, but it is hard to imagine the same thing pertaining to horses, camels, elk, moose, and most of all a mountain goat, all of which were habituated to pursuit by predators.  A hare went extinct as well.  I&#039;m curious if other not-so-megafauna perished as well.  One research does say that populations of man boomed on the great plains during and following the comet impact, but this is in opposition the the widespread sudden decline in human  population.   When populations did return, it was a new culture, a new cruder sprear point and the Clovis fluted point was gone.

It seems established that there was a honkin&#039; big impact, either into the ice sheet or exploding above the earth, and widespread fire.  Cataclysmic melting of the ice sheet is not proven, but it is fun to imagine and provides a fine explanation for the formation of drumlins.   Did you know about the Carolina Bays?
What fun to learn of them.  And all that radiation, and bombardments of ultra-high sped pellets -- what a way to go!   I love the black algal mat -- I&#039;m going on about the Firestone book, by the way.  To seal the deal he and other authors bring in Native American creation myths of flood, falling stars and fire as eyewitness accounts, though their survival would contradict the theory of the decimation of the human populace.  Frankly he runs away with his hypothesis, but what prick of caution to learn that certain people&#039;s have a myth of the sky being made of stone.  Ouch!  Supernovae hurt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a crackerjack theory, very colorful, full of happy coincidence, it&#8217;s a binder of loose threads.  I dig it, and I&#8217;m a big Overkill theory fan.  Just read the lurid <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cycle-Cosmic-Catastrophes-Stone-Age-Changed/dp/1591430615" rel="nofollow">book</a>.  Read Overkill<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Mammoths-Extinctions-Rewilding-Environments/dp/product-description/0520252438" rel="nofollow">book</a>, and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ghosts-Evolution-Nonsensical-Ecological-Anachronisms/dp/0465005527/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8720426-9176610?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1193057634&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">two</a> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Frontier-Ecological-History-America/dp/0802138888/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8720426-9176610?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1193057515&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">others</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, we will bide while they gnash this out.  But I&#8217;d love to chat about it!   The late Pleistocene fauna is stupendous.  What a thing to go missing!  It is beyond me to grasp the riches.  Have you ever cataloged all the fauna so recently gone missing from Plummer&#8217;s Hollow?  Overkill author Martin stresses that you&#8217;re missing half the picture of the present if you don&#8217;t visualize the missing fauna.   It seems animals must have been so very thick upon the land.  Have you seen the lists?  Your woods must have been very different then.  Imagine that man speared all of this into oblivion!   I think it is all too easy to under-appreciate the diversity, the spread, the sheer numbers, the vitality of those lost beasts.    Martin&#8217;s Overkill dwells the possibility of a dodo-like lack of fear of man.  It is easy to see the susceptibility of a giant ground sloth to the novelty of a spear cast from a distance, but it is hard to imagine the same thing pertaining to horses, camels, elk, moose, and most of all a mountain goat, all of which were habituated to pursuit by predators.  A hare went extinct as well.  I&#8217;m curious if other not-so-megafauna perished as well.  One research does say that populations of man boomed on the great plains during and following the comet impact, but this is in opposition the the widespread sudden decline in human  population.   When populations did return, it was a new culture, a new cruder sprear point and the Clovis fluted point was gone.</p>
<p>It seems established that there was a honkin&#8217; big impact, either into the ice sheet or exploding above the earth, and widespread fire.  Cataclysmic melting of the ice sheet is not proven, but it is fun to imagine and provides a fine explanation for the formation of drumlins.   Did you know about the Carolina Bays?<br />
What fun to learn of them.  And all that radiation, and bombardments of ultra-high sped pellets &#8212; what a way to go!   I love the black algal mat &#8212; I&#8217;m going on about the Firestone book, by the way.  To seal the deal he and other authors bring in Native American creation myths of flood, falling stars and fire as eyewitness accounts, though their survival would contradict the theory of the decimation of the human populace.  Frankly he runs away with his hypothesis, but what prick of caution to learn that certain people&#8217;s have a myth of the sky being made of stone.  Ouch!  Supernovae hurt.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve haeard about it, but I&#039;m not sure I buy it. I&#039;ll wait and see how many other scientists endorse this theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve haeard about it, but I&#8217;m not sure I buy it. I&#8217;ll wait and see how many other scientists endorse this theory.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave, have you heard about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://uscnews.sc.edu/GEOG278-07.html&quot; title=&quot;comet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, have you heard about the <a href="http://uscnews.sc.edu/GEOG278-07.html" title="comet" rel="nofollow">?</a></p>
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		By: marlyat2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marlyat2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David, Dave, Dale, Dick:  proliferation of  literate seed-bearing alliteratives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Dave, Dale, Dick:  proliferation of  literate seed-bearing alliteratives.</p>
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		By: Dick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are what look like red maples in the grounds of my mother&#039;s nursing home. Spectacular colour amongst the mellow yellows &#038; mundane browns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are what look like red maples in the grounds of my mother&#8217;s nursing home. Spectacular colour amongst the mellow yellows &amp; mundane browns.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not sure I&#039;d include crows in that. But yeah, well put.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I&#8217;d include crows in that. But yeah, well put.</p>
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		By: dale		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[:-)  Absolutely.  And crows and nutria and cockroaches.  There&#039;s something endearing about all of us indestructible oversexed trash species.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:-)  Absolutely.  And crows and nutria and cockroaches.  There&#8217;s something endearing about all of us indestructible oversexed trash species.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joel - I&#039;ll have to check out your photo galleries. That sounds really nice, given how impressive Bryce Canyon is even without fall colors.

David - Not quite true - a lot of things survive simply from our malign neglect - but we&#039;re approaching that point with frightening speed.

rr - I&#039;ve met you, and I can vouch for the fact that you&#039;re not grotesquely shaped. Colorful, yes.

It is and it isn&#039;t our fault. Personally, I blame the paleolithic predators who were so wimpy as to let a bunch of hairless bipeds armed only with spears wipe them out. Now governments, corporations and elites have taken their place, and we continue to respond to their depredations as most prey species would: with elevated levels of stress and reproductive activity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel &#8211; I&#8217;ll have to check out your photo galleries. That sounds really nice, given how impressive Bryce Canyon is even without fall colors.</p>
<p>David &#8211; Not quite true &#8211; a lot of things survive simply from our malign neglect &#8211; but we&#8217;re approaching that point with frightening speed.</p>
<p>rr &#8211; I&#8217;ve met you, and I can vouch for the fact that you&#8217;re not grotesquely shaped. Colorful, yes.</p>
<p>It is and it isn&#8217;t our fault. Personally, I blame the paleolithic predators who were so wimpy as to let a bunch of hairless bipeds armed only with spears wipe them out. Now governments, corporations and elites have taken their place, and we continue to respond to their depredations as most prey species would: with elevated levels of stress and reproductive activity.</p>
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