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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quick glimpses -- I like that. It also sounds like the way a camera operates!]]></description>
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		By: Allan Peterson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the most direct statements of an artist about his work was from Willem DeKooning. When asked to explain his Abstract Expressionist images he said that he was most fascinated by the quick glimpses of things as he moved about the city and when back in the studio he found he would slip back into those fleeting images. He said &quot;If you want to describe my work, call me a slipping glimpser.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most direct statements of an artist about his work was from Willem DeKooning. When asked to explain his Abstract Expressionist images he said that he was most fascinated by the quick glimpses of things as he moved about the city and when back in the studio he found he would slip back into those fleeting images. He said &#8220;If you want to describe my work, call me a slipping glimpser.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2008/01/manifest-oh/#comment-6802</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lucy - Thanks for the comment.
&lt;blockquote&gt;remarkably obtuse, not very clever, even unpleasant people&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You can say that again!
&lt;blockquote&gt;using only beautiful people as models&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Precisely. But seeing more deeply may produce a very different idea of what&#039;s beautiful than a shallow, porn-like view. (Porn-like because the lust is wrapped up with a desire for mastery: I think this is sort of what feminist film critics mean by the male gaze.)
&lt;blockquote&gt;every good shot just looks like a postcard, and people are always wandering round photographing it&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Imagine if one had never seen a picture of a sunset before, the photos one could take!

Bill - I think it&#039;s safe to say you&#039;ve done a lot more thinking about artists&#039; statements than I have. Good stuff! I like your point about the necessary inscrutability of them, and that&#039;s a fun example. Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy &#8211; Thanks for the comment.</p>
<blockquote><p>remarkably obtuse, not very clever, even unpleasant people</p></blockquote>
<p>You can say that again!</p>
<blockquote><p>using only beautiful people as models</p></blockquote>
<p>Precisely. But seeing more deeply may produce a very different idea of what&#8217;s beautiful than a shallow, porn-like view. (Porn-like because the lust is wrapped up with a desire for mastery: I think this is sort of what feminist film critics mean by the male gaze.)</p>
<blockquote><p>every good shot just looks like a postcard, and people are always wandering round photographing it</p></blockquote>
<p>Imagine if one had never seen a picture of a sunset before, the photos one could take!</p>
<p>Bill &#8211; I think it&#8217;s safe to say you&#8217;ve done a lot more thinking about artists&#8217; statements than I have. Good stuff! I like your point about the necessary inscrutability of them, and that&#8217;s a fun example. Thanks.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artist statements are a fascinating form.  I, myself, have spent hours alone making things, objects to someday serve as links between me and others, others and others.  But for now, as I make them that is all futuristic and fantastical.  Alone so much, I naturally have conversations in my head.  I love to interview myself about my practice and what it is that I think I am doing.  Not about the message or the ultimate meaning of objects, but just what the heck I think I am doing spending all this time alone making things. 
     It&#039;s also a sort of sports hero sort of thing.  Like practicing one&#039;s backhand against the garage door while playing tapes in one&#039;s head of one&#039;s interactions with the press after a win at Wimbledon.  In a way artist&#039;s statements are victory speeches, and  anyone who is being shown and gets to make an artist&#039;s statement has, in some small way, won.  That may be why I fetishize them.  In a way they are the prize, the reward.  After all those years of silent labor I finally get to speak!  To people!  The work, it does its own thing.  The artist&#039;s statement is for me alone.
     It&#039;s fun to hear artists spill out these pronouncements formed in months of solitary practice.  It&#039;s lovely when they are almost entirely inscrutable, loaded with intent but impossible to parse.  In that spirit I paste this one, from the first artist I thought to Google.  There are probably lots of  great artist&#039;s statements out.  An artist confident in his work has no need to make sense in an artist&#039;s statement.   This one is loaded with inscrutable truths, my favorite of which is in the opening lines:  &lt;i&gt;In life you can do two things.  In art you can do one thing&lt;/i&gt; -- just think of how long and how impatiently the artist must have been waiting to release this gem of an insight into the world.

&lt;i&gt;150 words on my work: In life you can do two things. In art you can do one thing. There are no decisions to make in art except one--that is the possibility of art, while the actuality (of it) is life-like. And that is why anything connected with art appears paradoxical, although that is not the goal of art. Art is discipline and discipline is drawing. Drawing will change before art will. Discipline is always the same. And we will never know what art is--except as the goal, which is already defined through necessity although not understood, is essentially abstract in nature or naturally abstracted, which is to say life- like, without hope. Because color is the most abstract evidence of/in art and because we are beginning to grasp certain specific abstracted experiences (which appear as forms in art) my work looks the way it does.&lt;/i&gt;
    ---Richard Tuttle]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artist statements are a fascinating form.  I, myself, have spent hours alone making things, objects to someday serve as links between me and others, others and others.  But for now, as I make them that is all futuristic and fantastical.  Alone so much, I naturally have conversations in my head.  I love to interview myself about my practice and what it is that I think I am doing.  Not about the message or the ultimate meaning of objects, but just what the heck I think I am doing spending all this time alone making things.<br />
     It&#8217;s also a sort of sports hero sort of thing.  Like practicing one&#8217;s backhand against the garage door while playing tapes in one&#8217;s head of one&#8217;s interactions with the press after a win at Wimbledon.  In a way artist&#8217;s statements are victory speeches, and  anyone who is being shown and gets to make an artist&#8217;s statement has, in some small way, won.  That may be why I fetishize them.  In a way they are the prize, the reward.  After all those years of silent labor I finally get to speak!  To people!  The work, it does its own thing.  The artist&#8217;s statement is for me alone.<br />
     It&#8217;s fun to hear artists spill out these pronouncements formed in months of solitary practice.  It&#8217;s lovely when they are almost entirely inscrutable, loaded with intent but impossible to parse.  In that spirit I paste this one, from the first artist I thought to Google.  There are probably lots of  great artist&#8217;s statements out.  An artist confident in his work has no need to make sense in an artist&#8217;s statement.   This one is loaded with inscrutable truths, my favorite of which is in the opening lines:  <i>In life you can do two things.  In art you can do one thing</i> &#8212; just think of how long and how impatiently the artist must have been waiting to release this gem of an insight into the world.</p>
<p><i>150 words on my work: In life you can do two things. In art you can do one thing. There are no decisions to make in art except one&#8211;that is the possibility of art, while the actuality (of it) is life-like. And that is why anything connected with art appears paradoxical, although that is not the goal of art. Art is discipline and discipline is drawing. Drawing will change before art will. Discipline is always the same. And we will never know what art is&#8211;except as the goal, which is already defined through necessity although not understood, is essentially abstract in nature or naturally abstracted, which is to say life- like, without hope. Because color is the most abstract evidence of/in art and because we are beginning to grasp certain specific abstracted experiences (which appear as forms in art) my work looks the way it does.</i><br />
    &#8212;Richard Tuttle</p>
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		By: Lucy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lots of good stuff, there and in comments. 
 
Artists&#039; statements must be frustrating and limiting to have to write; you write anyway and have a way with big ideas as well as small ones, but it must always feel like you haven&#039;t said enough, or that the words are often treacherous, shifting, not quite right.  Wasn&#039;t there that story about Eliot being asked, at a social event perhaps, what a particular poem meant, and he recited it in its entirety and said: &#039; That&#039;s what it meant.&#039;  A small part of me would have wanted to slap him for that, but of course it&#039;s obvious.  And as Pete pointed out, artists often entertain angels unawares,  can create things they  aren&#039;t necessarily fully aware of but others can find, can sometimes seem to be remarkably obtuse, not very clever, even unpleasant people,  but inspiration and gift isn&#039;t fussy like that.

I think I do still have a weakness for what you call the nature porn, though I find I look at it much more critically now.  I&#039;ve been looking at and reading about Charlie Waite&#039;s landscapes, I do admire the light chasing perfectionism it takes to make them, especially as he only uses film, not digital, and he doesn&#039;t entirely rely on the beauty of his subject matter - that seems rather like using only beautiful people as models.  Yet somehow they make me feel a bit depressed, shake my faith in the beauty of the ordinary and commonplace I was finding. 

I often wish for a closer urban environment for variety, but, as with wishing for more dramatic and beautiful landscape around me, I have to see this boredom as a challenge to break through it and see something else I hadn&#039;t seen before.  We&#039;ve a very pretty small town nearby, which I love to look at, but every good shot just looks like a postcard, and people are always wandering round photographing it.  I don&#039;t find it very inspiring.

Your idea of making &#039; the roles of figure and ground ... reversible, or even nonexistent&#039;, is an interesting one, and gives me something to think about.

I know what Bill says is true, and it&#039;s a despair at the core of my being, so largely I prefer to ignore it, which is self-evident, as not to do so is to make myself uncomfortable.

I use the viewfinder.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good stuff, there and in comments. </p>
<p>Artists&#8217; statements must be frustrating and limiting to have to write; you write anyway and have a way with big ideas as well as small ones, but it must always feel like you haven&#8217;t said enough, or that the words are often treacherous, shifting, not quite right.  Wasn&#8217;t there that story about Eliot being asked, at a social event perhaps, what a particular poem meant, and he recited it in its entirety and said: &#8216; That&#8217;s what it meant.&#8217;  A small part of me would have wanted to slap him for that, but of course it&#8217;s obvious.  And as Pete pointed out, artists often entertain angels unawares,  can create things they  aren&#8217;t necessarily fully aware of but others can find, can sometimes seem to be remarkably obtuse, not very clever, even unpleasant people,  but inspiration and gift isn&#8217;t fussy like that.</p>
<p>I think I do still have a weakness for what you call the nature porn, though I find I look at it much more critically now.  I&#8217;ve been looking at and reading about Charlie Waite&#8217;s landscapes, I do admire the light chasing perfectionism it takes to make them, especially as he only uses film, not digital, and he doesn&#8217;t entirely rely on the beauty of his subject matter &#8211; that seems rather like using only beautiful people as models.  Yet somehow they make me feel a bit depressed, shake my faith in the beauty of the ordinary and commonplace I was finding. </p>
<p>I often wish for a closer urban environment for variety, but, as with wishing for more dramatic and beautiful landscape around me, I have to see this boredom as a challenge to break through it and see something else I hadn&#8217;t seen before.  We&#8217;ve a very pretty small town nearby, which I love to look at, but every good shot just looks like a postcard, and people are always wandering round photographing it.  I don&#8217;t find it very inspiring.</p>
<p>Your idea of making &#8216; the roles of figure and ground &#8230; reversible, or even nonexistent&#8217;, is an interesting one, and gives me something to think about.</p>
<p>I know what Bill says is true, and it&#8217;s a despair at the core of my being, so largely I prefer to ignore it, which is self-evident, as not to do so is to make myself uncomfortable.</p>
<p>I use the viewfinder.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2008/01/manifest-oh/#comment-6799</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;treating my whole existence, not to mention nature, like some kind of blow-up doll&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Don&#039;t we all?
&lt;blockquote&gt;my reigning truth is that the wholesale destruction of nature matters little to me in comparison with my blind need for immediate, and very local, comfort&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Your candor is refreshing, Bill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>treating my whole existence, not to mention nature, like some kind of blow-up doll</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t we all?</p>
<blockquote><p>my reigning truth is that the wholesale destruction of nature matters little to me in comparison with my blind need for immediate, and very local, comfort</p></blockquote>
<p>Your candor is refreshing, Bill.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eco-porn.  This is a wildly accusing term.  It hits me broadside, making me self conscious of treating my whole existence, not to mention nature, like some kind of blow-up doll.  Your example would seem to suggest that things could be otherwise, as in the Kenneth Boulding quote at your dad&#039;s site, but my reigning truth is that the wholesale destruction of nature matters little to me in comparison with my blind need for immediate, and very local, comfort.  I admire eco-warriors, but my psyche is way too fragile for that role.  Any vision I might gain of a fixed course towards improving my actions vanishes in the daily storm of anxiety, a coup by the id.

Once again, your eco-ethical rigor takes me by surprise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eco-porn.  This is a wildly accusing term.  It hits me broadside, making me self conscious of treating my whole existence, not to mention nature, like some kind of blow-up doll.  Your example would seem to suggest that things could be otherwise, as in the Kenneth Boulding quote at your dad&#8217;s site, but my reigning truth is that the wholesale destruction of nature matters little to me in comparison with my blind need for immediate, and very local, comfort.  I admire eco-warriors, but my psyche is way too fragile for that role.  Any vision I might gain of a fixed course towards improving my actions vanishes in the daily storm of anxiety, a coup by the id.</p>
<p>Once again, your eco-ethical rigor takes me by surprise.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;art is not just a deliberate attempt to express what the artist feels, but arises also from motivations and understanding of which the artist might not even be aware.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
An excellent and valuable point.

&lt;blockquote&gt;are you aware of Daniel Dancer&#039;s views on what he termed â€œeco-pornâ€?, or Niall Benvie&#039;s writing on the topic?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think a professor friend of mine sent me a brief article from one or the other after I held forth on the subject a year or so back. But the concept is obvious.

Hey, rant all you want. I love comments like that!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>art is not just a deliberate attempt to express what the artist feels, but arises also from motivations and understanding of which the artist might not even be aware.</p></blockquote>
<p>An excellent and valuable point.</p>
<blockquote><p>are you aware of Daniel Dancer&#8217;s views on what he termed â€œeco-pornâ€?, or Niall Benvie&#8217;s writing on the topic?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think a professor friend of mine sent me a brief article from one or the other after I held forth on the subject a year or so back. But the concept is obvious.</p>
<p>Hey, rant all you want. I love comments like that!</p>
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		By: pohanginapete		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much to think about here, Dave.  Personally, I&#039;m uneasy about artists &quot;explaining&quot; their art, partly because of the reason you offer (&quot;if the art can&#039;t speak for itself, what good is it?&quot;), but also because an artwork represents more than just the artist&#039;s conscious intentions â€” most (all?) art is not just a deliberate attempt to express what the artist feels, but arises also from motivations and understanding of which the artist might not even be aware. If so, the attempt to articulate what the art is &quot;about&quot; will almost certainly fail to credit what the artist doesn&#039;t recognise but which appears, nevertheless, in the art.  An artist&#039;s statement directs viewers (more generally, those who engage with the work) along a particular path. This can be helpful, but it can also be subversive, making it difficult, perhaps impossible, for viewers to explore, and perhaps identify what the artist couldn&#039;t. 

The risk with artists&#039; statements is that any characteristic of the artwork that&#039;s not identified in the statement might be dismissed as accidental, and, therefore, the artist will be denied credit for those characteristics. Just because the artist wasn&#039;t conscious of those characteristics doesn&#039;t mean he or she isn&#039;t responsible for them.  On the other hand, perhaps that suggests a possible reason why artists &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; write statements: for fear of being held responsible for something in the work for which they &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; wish to be credited?

Good statements complement the art; poor statements compete with it; the worst subvert it.

I&#039;d like to say more, particularly about your intriguing statement that you believe compelling photos more difficult to achieve in woods and fields than in cities ( I find &quot;landscapes&quot; particularly difficult), and the notion of nature porn (are you aware of Daniel Dancer&#039;s views on what he termed &quot;eco-porn&quot;, or Niall Benvie&#039;s writing on the topic?). But I&#039;ve ranted for long enough. Thanks for a thought-provoking post, Dave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much to think about here, Dave.  Personally, I&#8217;m uneasy about artists &#8220;explaining&#8221; their art, partly because of the reason you offer (&#8220;if the art can&#8217;t speak for itself, what good is it?&#8221;), but also because an artwork represents more than just the artist&#8217;s conscious intentions â€” most (all?) art is not just a deliberate attempt to express what the artist feels, but arises also from motivations and understanding of which the artist might not even be aware. If so, the attempt to articulate what the art is &#8220;about&#8221; will almost certainly fail to credit what the artist doesn&#8217;t recognise but which appears, nevertheless, in the art.  An artist&#8217;s statement directs viewers (more generally, those who engage with the work) along a particular path. This can be helpful, but it can also be subversive, making it difficult, perhaps impossible, for viewers to explore, and perhaps identify what the artist couldn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The risk with artists&#8217; statements is that any characteristic of the artwork that&#8217;s not identified in the statement might be dismissed as accidental, and, therefore, the artist will be denied credit for those characteristics. Just because the artist wasn&#8217;t conscious of those characteristics doesn&#8217;t mean he or she isn&#8217;t responsible for them.  On the other hand, perhaps that suggests a possible reason why artists <i>do</i> write statements: for fear of being held responsible for something in the work for which they <i>don&#8217;t</i> wish to be credited?</p>
<p>Good statements complement the art; poor statements compete with it; the worst subvert it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say more, particularly about your intriguing statement that you believe compelling photos more difficult to achieve in woods and fields than in cities ( I find &#8220;landscapes&#8221; particularly difficult), and the notion of nature porn (are you aware of Daniel Dancer&#8217;s views on what he termed &#8220;eco-porn&#8221;, or Niall Benvie&#8217;s writing on the topic?). But I&#8217;ve ranted for long enough. Thanks for a thought-provoking post, Dave.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah. Of course as Marja-Leena&#039;s comment suggests, the artists in many cases are pressured into making statements by the people who put on exhibitions. It&#039;s strange to me because poets must continually struggle against the perception, fostered largely by English teachers, that poems are puzzles to be solved. No, we say: a poem is an attempt to find the single best way of communicating a given insight! I should think it&#039;s the same way with any other work of art. 

That said, it &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; be interesting to learn where an author or artist is coming from - ideally in non-academic language.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Of course as Marja-Leena&#8217;s comment suggests, the artists in many cases are pressured into making statements by the people who put on exhibitions. It&#8217;s strange to me because poets must continually struggle against the perception, fostered largely by English teachers, that poems are puzzles to be solved. No, we say: a poem is an attempt to find the single best way of communicating a given insight! I should think it&#8217;s the same way with any other work of art. </p>
<p>That said, it <em>can</em> be interesting to learn where an author or artist is coming from &#8211; ideally in non-academic language.</p>
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