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	Comments on: Gone With The Windmills? A Plea to President Obama to Save the National Forests of Appalachia	</title>
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		By: False Progress		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-54683</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-54682&quot;&gt;Chris Bolgiano&lt;/a&gt;.

Apparently it&#039;s much easier to build solar panels on open land, so they&#039;ve tried to get away with it whenever possible, clearing trees when needed. Economics prevails over aesthetics.

Solar energy is weaker per unit area than wind power, but I agree that everything that can physically support panels should be blanketed; even solar hats or shoulder pads to charge phones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-54682">Chris Bolgiano</a>.</p>
<p>Apparently it&#8217;s much easier to build solar panels on open land, so they&#8217;ve tried to get away with it whenever possible, clearing trees when needed. Economics prevails over aesthetics.</p>
<p>Solar energy is weaker per unit area than wind power, but I agree that everything that can physically support panels should be blanketed; even solar hats or shoulder pads to charge phones.</p>
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		By: Chris Bolgiano		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-54680&quot;&gt;False Progress&lt;/a&gt;.

Distributed solar - houses, neighborhoods, businesses, roofs of skyscraper, condos, apartment blds., big box stores and their parking lots (the Institute for Self Reliance calaculated years ago how just covering parking lots could produce as much power as was being used nationally, while protecting cars and shoppers from weather) - could not only produce more than the electricity we use today, but also confer energy independence as well as independence from corporations and government, a key conservative principle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-54680">False Progress</a>.</p>
<p>Distributed solar &#8211; houses, neighborhoods, businesses, roofs of skyscraper, condos, apartment blds., big box stores and their parking lots (the Institute for Self Reliance calaculated years ago how just covering parking lots could produce as much power as was being used nationally, while protecting cars and shoppers from weather) &#8211; could not only produce more than the electricity we use today, but also confer energy independence as well as independence from corporations and government, a key conservative principle.</p>
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		By: False Progress		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9935&quot;&gt;Crafty Green poet&lt;/a&gt;.

One of the best ways to halt Big Wind is to replace it with something much more effective and much less sprawling. You have to offer a serious replacement or the blight will only be controlled piecemeal, shuffled to other areas.

I&#039;m talking about newer, safer nuclear power designs like molten salt SMR (self-cooling). People need to get the facts and lose their exaggerated fears and weaponry associations.

https://falseprogress.home.blog/2016/08/29/windturbineslandscapes/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9935">Crafty Green poet</a>.</p>
<p>One of the best ways to halt Big Wind is to replace it with something much more effective and much less sprawling. You have to offer a serious replacement or the blight will only be controlled piecemeal, shuffled to other areas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about newer, safer nuclear power designs like molten salt SMR (self-cooling). People need to get the facts and lose their exaggerated fears and weaponry associations.</p>
<p><a href="https://falseprogress.home.blog/2016/08/29/windturbineslandscapes/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://falseprogress.home.blog/2016/08/29/windturbineslandscapes/</a></p>
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		By: False Progress		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[As anyone with eyes and ears knows, wind projects have greatly expanded since Obama unleashed the PTC, which keeps getting extended in a frenzy to build these inefficient eyesores. They&#039;re treated as eco-saviors by people who barely study their impacts and ignore their poor ERoI (built with fossil fuels at every step).

It&#039;s taken too long for major environmental groups (e.g. The Nature Conservancy) to treat energy sprawl as a serious issue, but many still claim these monster projects can be &quot;carefully sited&quot; even though by necessity they&#039;re built where the best wind is. It&#039;s like saying you can hide skyscrapers and their lights just around the next corner.

Nuclear power looks like the best way to get energy from a much smaller area, and people should stop fearing it based on limited knowledge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As anyone with eyes and ears knows, wind projects have greatly expanded since Obama unleashed the PTC, which keeps getting extended in a frenzy to build these inefficient eyesores. They&#8217;re treated as eco-saviors by people who barely study their impacts and ignore their poor ERoI (built with fossil fuels at every step).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s taken too long for major environmental groups (e.g. The Nature Conservancy) to treat energy sprawl as a serious issue, but many still claim these monster projects can be &#8220;carefully sited&#8221; even though by necessity they&#8217;re built where the best wind is. It&#8217;s like saying you can hide skyscrapers and their lights just around the next corner.</p>
<p>Nuclear power looks like the best way to get energy from a much smaller area, and people should stop fearing it based on limited knowledge.</p>
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		By: Woodrat Podcast 8: Greening the Appalachians &#124; Via Negativa		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9936</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Gone With the Windmills?&#8221; (Chris&#8217;s article on wind turbines in national forests, ... [...] ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &#8220;Gone With the Windmills?&#8221; (Chris&#8217;s article on wind turbines in national forests, &#8230; [&#8230;] </p>
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		By: Crafty Green poet		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9935</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[its the same here, most plans for windfarms involve concreting over valuable wildlife sites, turning remote areas into wind factories, its a continuing obsession with large scale, that is entirely misplaced. Hopefully your new president will listen to and learn from this letter, he does seem to be listening to people]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its the same here, most plans for windfarms involve concreting over valuable wildlife sites, turning remote areas into wind factories, its a continuing obsession with large scale, that is entirely misplaced. Hopefully your new president will listen to and learn from this letter, he does seem to be listening to people</p>
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		By: Robb		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9934</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kia ora Dave,
 This is also a big issue here in New Zealand. Power companies are eyeing up the entire bottom of the North Island, which include some of our most pristine mountain ranges. It is a hard and long battle. Kia kaha!
Rangimarie,
Robb]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora Dave,<br />
 This is also a big issue here in New Zealand. Power companies are eyeing up the entire bottom of the North Island, which include some of our most pristine mountain ranges. It is a hard and long battle. Kia kaha!<br />
Rangimarie,<br />
Robb</p>
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		By: David Harmon		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9933</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Harmon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t specify in your post, but I hope that besides posting this letter on the web, he actually submitted it to the whitehouse.gov site!  Now that we&#039;ve got a president who actually listens to the public, we can do better than just posting open letters....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t specify in your post, but I hope that besides posting this letter on the web, he actually submitted it to the whitehouse.gov site!  Now that we&#8217;ve got a president who actually listens to the public, we can do better than just posting open letters&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Rebecca Clayton		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9932</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca Clayton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m personally most worried about water issues in Appalachia. Coal mining has been hugely damaging to water supplies through strip mining, mountain top removal, and fly ash containment structures, which can famously give way. You would think the Buffalo Creek disaster would make West Virginians more cautious, but most of the fly ash containment structures here haven&#039;t had a safety inspection during the Bush administration. 

At least the windmills don&#039;t have great impact on ground water. Now, that clean burning natural gas T. Boone Pickens is bragging on--that uses immense amounts of ground water to extract gas, and leaves it contaminated with heavy metals, including radioisotopes.

It all ends up in somebody&#039;s back yard, whether in impoverished rural America, Nigeria, China....We need to be concerned about everyone&#039;s back yards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m personally most worried about water issues in Appalachia. Coal mining has been hugely damaging to water supplies through strip mining, mountain top removal, and fly ash containment structures, which can famously give way. You would think the Buffalo Creek disaster would make West Virginians more cautious, but most of the fly ash containment structures here haven&#8217;t had a safety inspection during the Bush administration. </p>
<p>At least the windmills don&#8217;t have great impact on ground water. Now, that clean burning natural gas T. Boone Pickens is bragging on&#8211;that uses immense amounts of ground water to extract gas, and leaves it contaminated with heavy metals, including radioisotopes.</p>
<p>It all ends up in somebody&#8217;s back yard, whether in impoverished rural America, Nigeria, China&#8230;.We need to be concerned about everyone&#8217;s back yards.</p>
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		By: Mike McCann		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2009/02/gone-with-the-windmills/#comment-9931</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With all due respect, I do not believe that wind turbine syndrome has anything to do with &quot;depression over property values&quot;.  They are distinctly separate issues.  However, I have noted in my real estate studies, and expert testimony at zoning hearings on behalf of concerned citizens, that fear of health issues can be a detriment to marketing properties, in addition to aesthetic and noise issues, and the significant change of the character of the project areas....yes, even in the crop fields of Illinois. 

When multiple homes in project areas could not be sold or even obtain one bona fide offer during the recent &quot;peak&quot; of market activity, despite 100+ showings, it does not take a crystal ball to conclude that current conditions of the real estate market will make homes in the shadows of turbines completely unmarketable.

I would add that President Obama should encourage all efforts to require the wind industry to insure the property values of homes (and land) in the project areas, and thus avoid a meltdown within a meltdown that will be unprecedented.

Let the wind developers carry thier own burden, and maybe set an example for Wall Street to follow!

Sincerely,
Michael S. McCann
McCann Appraisal, LLC
500 North Michigan Avenue, Suite 300
Chicago, Illinois 60611
mikesmccann@comcast.net]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, I do not believe that wind turbine syndrome has anything to do with &#8220;depression over property values&#8221;.  They are distinctly separate issues.  However, I have noted in my real estate studies, and expert testimony at zoning hearings on behalf of concerned citizens, that fear of health issues can be a detriment to marketing properties, in addition to aesthetic and noise issues, and the significant change of the character of the project areas&#8230;.yes, even in the crop fields of Illinois. </p>
<p>When multiple homes in project areas could not be sold or even obtain one bona fide offer during the recent &#8220;peak&#8221; of market activity, despite 100+ showings, it does not take a crystal ball to conclude that current conditions of the real estate market will make homes in the shadows of turbines completely unmarketable.</p>
<p>I would add that President Obama should encourage all efforts to require the wind industry to insure the property values of homes (and land) in the project areas, and thus avoid a meltdown within a meltdown that will be unprecedented.</p>
<p>Let the wind developers carry thier own burden, and maybe set an example for Wall Street to follow!</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Michael S. McCann<br />
McCann Appraisal, LLC<br />
500 North Michigan Avenue, Suite 300<br />
Chicago, Illinois 60611<br />
<a href="mailto:mikesmccann@comcast.net">mikesmccann@comcast.net</a></p>
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