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		By: 2013 in photos: Touched by a Rachel		</title>
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		By: Dave Bonta		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41453</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2013 02:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41451&quot;&gt;Joan&lt;/a&gt;.

Groan. Technically speaking, the dark ages were prior to 1000 AD (and they aren&#039;t considered to have been especially &quot;dark&quot; by modern historians). 

Check the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vianegativa.us/category/travel/u-k/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;U.K. category link&lt;/a&gt; for a few more travel posts. And there will be at least half a dozen more, I think -- I took a fair number of pictures this summer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41451">Joan</a>.</p>
<p>Groan. Technically speaking, the dark ages were prior to 1000 AD (and they aren&#8217;t considered to have been especially &#8220;dark&#8221; by modern historians). </p>
<p>Check the <a href="http://www.vianegativa.us/category/travel/u-k/" rel="nofollow">U.K. category link</a> for a few more travel posts. And there will be at least half a dozen more, I think &#8212; I took a fair number of pictures this summer.</p>
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		By: Joan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, Dave!  Wonderful wonderful pics!.  I have so missed this part of your blog.  Didn&#039;t even know you&#039;d been to England again. As for the dark ages, I had no idea that tithing was as brutal as that.  And we gripe about income taxes.  

Anyway, if they housed some livestock in these behemoth barns they could officially be called &#039;sacred cows&#039;. (grin)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Dave!  Wonderful wonderful pics!.  I have so missed this part of your blog.  Didn&#8217;t even know you&#8217;d been to England again. As for the dark ages, I had no idea that tithing was as brutal as that.  And we gripe about income taxes.  </p>
<p>Anyway, if they housed some livestock in these behemoth barns they could officially be called &#8216;sacred cows&#8217;. (grin)</p>
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		By: Dave Bonta		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41442</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 13:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apologies for all the typos in earlier versions of this post. Geez. Clearly, I am out of practice at blogging things that aren&#039;t poetry!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for all the typos in earlier versions of this post. Geez. Clearly, I am out of practice at blogging things that aren&#8217;t poetry!</p>
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		By: Dave Bonta		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41440</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 13:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41438&quot;&gt;Ray Templeton&lt;/a&gt;.

What Rachel said. Thanks so much for the excellent contextualization. I know just enough about the Middle Ages to be dangerous, but clearly I need to read more. (For readers of this thread who are curious about what the Peasants&#039; Revolt entailed, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3YDN5gTX0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first episode in Terry Jones&#039; &quot;Medieval Lives&quot; series&lt;/a&gt; offers a painless and enjoyable primer.) ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41438">Ray Templeton</a>.</p>
<p>What Rachel said. Thanks so much for the excellent contextualization. I know just enough about the Middle Ages to be dangerous, but clearly I need to read more. (For readers of this thread who are curious about what the Peasants&#8217; Revolt entailed, the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3YDN5gTX0" rel="nofollow">first episode in Terry Jones&#8217; &#8220;Medieval Lives&#8221; series</a> offers a painless and enjoyable primer.) </p>
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		By: rr		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41439</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41438&quot;&gt;Ray Templeton&lt;/a&gt;.

What a great insight into how tithe barns were used (and abused) - thank you! And for the Coggeshall recommendation too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41438">Ray Templeton</a>.</p>
<p>What a great insight into how tithe barns were used (and abused) &#8211; thank you! And for the Coggeshall recommendation too.</p>
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		By: Ray Templeton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 09:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The tithe system was pretty brutal, and one of the reasons why tithe barns can look a bit like fortresses is that they were deliberately constructed to symbolise the feudal power they embodied. The Monastic system was especially oppressive, because they represented religious power as well as secular. In St.Albans, where I live, the abbot confiscated all the local millstones so that everybody had to bring their grain to the abbey mill, the perfect way to control the tithe. The millstones were used to pave the floor of the abbey church - also heavily symbolic, I think. During the Peasants&#039; Revolt, the rebels attacked the abbey and ripped up the floor. No wonder a barn like this looks like it was built to be defended!

You&#039;d love Grange Barn at Coggeshall in Essex,which is even older - 12th century. Doesn&#039;t look anything like as impressive from outside, because it had to be completely restored when the National Trust got hold of it in the 1990s, but the timber structure inside is beautiful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tithe system was pretty brutal, and one of the reasons why tithe barns can look a bit like fortresses is that they were deliberately constructed to symbolise the feudal power they embodied. The Monastic system was especially oppressive, because they represented religious power as well as secular. In St.Albans, where I live, the abbot confiscated all the local millstones so that everybody had to bring their grain to the abbey mill, the perfect way to control the tithe. The millstones were used to pave the floor of the abbey church &#8211; also heavily symbolic, I think. During the Peasants&#8217; Revolt, the rebels attacked the abbey and ripped up the floor. No wonder a barn like this looks like it was built to be defended!</p>
<p>You&#8217;d love Grange Barn at Coggeshall in Essex,which is even older &#8211; 12th century. Doesn&#8217;t look anything like as impressive from outside, because it had to be completely restored when the National Trust got hold of it in the 1990s, but the timber structure inside is beautiful.</p>
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		By: Chance: Six More From a Tarot &#124; Via Negativa		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41435</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Dave Bonta		</title>
		<link>https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41434</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41432&quot;&gt;Peter&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah-ha! How interesting that the tithe barn should&#039;ve gotten into a Bible translation.

By the early 14th century, of course, stained glass windows were the usual thing in churches, But the church was sacred space, while this was space set aside for the support of the sacred, so perhaps the cross-shaped openings to the sky would&#039;ve been seen a bit like the brand of the owner on a free-ranging cow or sheep.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2013/11/tithe-barn/#comment-41432">Peter</a>.</p>
<p>Ah-ha! How interesting that the tithe barn should&#8217;ve gotten into a Bible translation.</p>
<p>By the early 14th century, of course, stained glass windows were the usual thing in churches, But the church was sacred space, while this was space set aside for the support of the sacred, so perhaps the cross-shaped openings to the sky would&#8217;ve been seen a bit like the brand of the owner on a free-ranging cow or sheep.</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 22:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, how cool. Years ago in my institutional religion days, I was occasionally exhorted with this verse from Malachi (suitably translated here from the Vulgate by Wycliffe &#038; friends): “Brynge ye yn ech tithe in to my berne, that mete be in myn hous, and preue ye me on this thing, seith the Lord, if Y schal not opene to you the goteris of heuene, and schal schede out to you blessyng, til to aboundaunce.”

I thought the &quot;storehouses&quot; (I do prefer Wycliffe&#039;s &quot;my berne&quot; to the King James&#039;s &quot;the storehouse&quot;) were only figurative after Bible times. Maybe those crosses are an attempt at that verse&#039;s &quot;windows of heaven.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, how cool. Years ago in my institutional religion days, I was occasionally exhorted with this verse from Malachi (suitably translated here from the Vulgate by Wycliffe &amp; friends): “Brynge ye yn ech tithe in to my berne, that mete be in myn hous, and preue ye me on this thing, seith the Lord, if Y schal not opene to you the goteris of heuene, and schal schede out to you blessyng, til to aboundaunce.”</p>
<p>I thought the &#8220;storehouses&#8221; (I do prefer Wycliffe&#8217;s &#8220;my berne&#8221; to the King James&#8217;s &#8220;the storehouse&#8221;) were only figurative after Bible times. Maybe those crosses are an attempt at that verse&#8217;s &#8220;windows of heaven.&#8221;</p>
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