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		<title>Survival</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 13:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[our mission must go on 
brave but decrepit 

to see god 
in people again 

to see the difference between 
the well and its water 

above us the wind 
unacquainted with sex and fear 

the stars guided by nothing 
but the barking of a dog]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #dddddd;">Up by f<span style="color: #000000;">our</span> o’clock in the morning and walked to the Dock, where Com<span style="color: #000000;">mission</span>er Pett and I took barge and went to the guardships and <span style="color: #000000;">must</span>ered them, finding them but badly manned; thence to the Sovereign, which we found kept in <span style="color: #000000;">go</span>od order and very clean, which pleased us well, but few of the officers <span style="color: #000000;">on</span> board. Thence to the Charles, and were troubled to see her kept so neglectedly by the boatswain Clements, who I always took for a very good officer; it is a very <span style="color: #000000;">brave</span> ship. Thence to Upnor Castle, and there went up to the top, where there is a fine prospect, <span style="color: #000000;">but</span> of very small force; so to the yard, and there mustered the whole ordinary, where great disorder by multitude of servants and old <span style="color: #000000;">decrepid</span> men, which must be remedied. So to all the storehouses and viewed the stores of all sorts and the hemp, where we found Captain Cocke’s (which he came down <span style="color: #000000;">to see</span> along with me) very bad, and some others, and with much content (<span style="color: #000000;">God</span> forgive me) I did hear by the Clerk of the Ropeyard how it was by Sir W. Batten’s private letter that one parcel of Alderman Barker’s was received.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">At two o’clock to d<span style="color: #000000;">in</span>ner to the Hill-house, and after dinner dispatched many <span style="color: #000000;">people</span>’s business, and then to the yard <span style="color: #000000;">again</span>, and looked over Mr. Gregory’s and Barrow’s houses <span style="color: #000000;">to see the</span> matter of <span style="color: #000000;">difference between the</span>m concerning an alteration that Barrow would make, which I shall report to the board, but both their houses very pretty, and deserve to be so, being <span style="color: #000000;">well</span> kept. Then to a trial of several sorts of hemp, but could not perform it here so well as at Woolwich, but we did do it pretty well.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">So took barge at the dock and to Rochester, and there Captain Cocke and I and our two men took coach about 8 at night <span style="color: #000000;">and</span> to Gravesend, where <span style="color: #000000;">it</span> wa<span style="color: #000000;">s</span> very dark before we got thither to the Swan; and there, meeting with Doncaster, an old <span style="color: #000000;">water</span>man of mine <span style="color: #000000;">above</span> bridge, we eat a short supper, being very merry with the drolling, drunken coachman that brought <span style="color: #000000;">us</span>, and so took water. It being very dark, and <span style="color: #000000;">the wind</span> rising, and our waterman <span style="color: #000000;">unacquainted with</span> this part of the river, so that we presently cast upon the Es<span style="color: #000000;">sex</span> shore, but got off again, <span style="color: #000000;">and</span> so, as well as we could, went on, but I in such <span style="color: #000000;">fear</span> that I could not sleep till we came to Erith, and there it begun to be calm, and <span style="color: #000000;">the stars</span> to shine, and so I began to take heart again, and the rest too, and so made shift to slumber a little.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">Above Woolwich we lost our way, and went back to Blackwall, and up and down, being <span style="color: #000000;">guided by nothing but the barking of a dog</span>, which we had observed in passing by Blackwall, and so…</span></p>
<p>our mission must go on<br />
brave but decrepit</p>
<p>to see god<br />
in people again</p>
<p>to see the difference between<br />
the well and its water</p>
<p>above us the wind<br />
unacquainted with sex and fear</p>
<p>the stars guided by nothing<br />
but the barking of a dog</p>
<p><em><br />
Erasure poem derived from The Diary of Samuel Pepys, <a href="http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/08/04/" rel="nofollow">Monday 4 August 1662</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>Fish dinner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[a dish of fish 
is kindred to a ship 

for a crow to know 
no quiet life 

in my mind of wine 
if god is light]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #dddddd;">Up to my Lord’s and my own accounts, and so to the office, where all the forenoon sitting, and at noon by appointment to the Mitre, where Mr. Shepley gave me and Mr. Creed, and I had my uncle Wight with us, <span style="color: #000000;">a dish of fish</span>. Thence to the office again, and there all the afternoon till night, and so home, and after talking with my wife to bed. Th<span style="color: #000000;">is</span> day a genteel woman came to me, claiming <span style="color: #000000;">kindred</span> of me, as she had once done before, and borrowed 10s. of me, promising <span style="color: #000000;">to</span> rep<span style="color: #000000;">a</span>y it at night, but I hear nothing of her. I shall trust her no more.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">Great talk there is of a fear of a war with the Dutch; and we have order to pitch upon twenty <span style="color: #000000;">ship</span>s to be <span style="color: #000000;">for</span>thwith set out; but I hope it is but <span style="color: #000000;">a</span> scare<span style="color: #000000;">crow to</span> the world, to let them see that we can be ready for them; though, God <span style="color: #000000;">know</span>s! the King is not able to set out five ships at this present without great difficulty, we neither having money, credit, nor stores.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">My mind is <span style="color: #000000;">no</span>w in a wonderful condition of <span style="color: #000000;">quiet</span> and content, more than ever in all my <span style="color: #000000;">life</span>, s<span style="color: #000000;">in</span>ce <span style="color: #000000;">my mind</span>ing the business <span style="color: #000000;">of</span> my office, which I have done most constantly; and I find it to be the very effect of my late oaths against <span style="color: #000000;">wine</span> and plays, which, <span style="color: #000000;">if God</span> please, I will keep constant in, for now my business <span style="color: #000000;">is</span> a de<span style="color: #000000;">light</span> to me, and brings me great credit, and my purse encreases too.</span></p>
<p>a dish of fish<br />
is kindred to a ship</p>
<p>for a crow to know<br />
no quiet life</p>
<p>in my mind of wine<br />
if god is light</p>
<p><em><br />
Erasure poem derived from The Diary of Samuel Pepys, <a href="http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/06/28/" rel="nofollow">Saturday 28 June 1662</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>Ogun at the Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2025 12:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[god of iron and war carved from hard wood Ogun with a gun propped upright under his chin on a Wednesday in June behind museum glass eyeholes turreted in two directions so no one can return the ground-penetrating gaze of a placeholder for something more than mortal the ore that reddens rocks and makes them &#8230; <p class="link-more"><a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2025/06/ogun-at-the-palmer/" class="more-link">Continue reading<span class="screen-reader-text"> "Ogun at the Palmer"</span></a></p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img data-recalc-dims="1" fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7823.jpg?resize=525%2C394&#038;ssl=1" class="size-full wp-image-71657" width="525" height="394" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7823.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7823.jpg?resize=450%2C338&amp;ssl=1 450w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7823.jpg?resize=150%2C113&amp;ssl=1 150w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7823.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7823.jpg?resize=1536%2C1152&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7823.jpg?w=1050&amp;ssl=1 1050w" sizes="(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px" /></p>
<p>god of iron and war<br />
carved from hard wood</p>
<p>Ogun with a gun propped<br />
upright under his chin</p>
<p>on a Wednesday in June<br />
behind museum glass</p>
<p>eyeholes turreted<br />
in two directions</p>
<p>so no one can return<br />
the ground-penetrating gaze</p>
<p>of a placeholder<br />
for something more than mortal</p>
<p>the ore that reddens rocks<br />
and makes them ring</p>
<p>something godlike<br />
how with charcoal and bellows</p>
<p>iron can be made to bloom<br />
for the blows of a hammer</p>
<p>how last night&#8217;s missiles<br />
blazed across our screens</p>
<p>at what might well be<br />
the very end of the Iron Age</p>
<p>in an empty gallery<br />
with walls of marigold</p>
<p>Ogun casts two shadows<br />
behind his back</p>
<p><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7821.jpg?resize=525%2C394&#038;ssl=1" class="size-full wp-image-71656" width="525" height="394" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7821.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7821.jpg?resize=450%2C338&amp;ssl=1 450w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7821.jpg?resize=150%2C113&amp;ssl=1 150w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7821.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7821.jpg?resize=1536%2C1152&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_7821.jpg?w=1050&amp;ssl=1 1050w" sizes="(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px" /></p>
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		<title>Recluse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the forest showed me how 
to know by not knowing 

took me out of myself 
and back like a brook 

head like a bauble
bought with some trouble 

at night I see to the bottom 
of all my accounts]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #dddddd;">Up by four or five o’clock, and to the office, and there drew up the agreement between the King and Sir John Winter about the Forrest of Deane; and having done it, he came himself (I did not know him to be the Queen’s Secretary before, but observed him to be a man of fine parts); and we read it, and both liked it well. That done, I turned to <span style="color: #000000;">the Forrest</span> of Deane, in Speede’s Mapps, and there he <span style="color: #000000;">showed me how</span> it lies; and the Lea-bayly, with the great charge of carrying it <span style="color: #000000;">to</span> Lydny, and many other things worth my <span style="color: #000000;">know</span>ing; and I do perceive that I am very short in my business <span style="color: #000000;">by not knowing</span> many times the geographical part of my business.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">At my office till Mr. Moore <span style="color: #000000;">took me out</span> and at my house looked over our papers again, and upon our evening accounts did give full discharges one to the other, and in his and many other accounts I perceive I shall be better able to give a true balance <span style="color: #000000;">of</span> my estate to <span style="color: #000000;">myself</span> within a day or two than I have been this twelve months.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">Then he <span style="color: #000000;">and</span> I to Alderman <span style="color: #000000;">Back</span>well’s and did the <span style="color: #000000;">like</span> there, and I gave one receipt for all the money I have received thence upon the receipt of my Lord’s crusados. Then I went to the Exchange, and hear that the merchants have <span style="color: #000000;">a</span> great fear of a breach with the Spaniard; for they think he will not <span style="color: #000000;">brook</span> our having Tangier, Dunkirk, and Jamaica; and our merchants begin to draw home their estates as fast as they can. Then to Pope’s <span style="color: #000000;">Head</span> Ally, and there bought me a pair of tweezers, cost me 14s., the first thing <span style="color: #000000;">like a bawble</span> I have <span style="color: #000000;">bought</span> a good while, but I do it <span style="color: #000000;">with some trouble</span> of mind, though my conscience tells me that I do it with an apprehension of service in my office to have a book to write memorandums in, and a pair of compasses in it; but I confess myself the willinger to do it because I perceive by my accounts th<span style="color: #000000;">at</span> I shall be better by 30l. than I expected to be. But by tomorrow <span style="color: #000000;">night I</span> intend to <span style="color: #000000;">see to the bottom of all my accounts</span>. Then home to dinner, where Mr. Moore met me. Then he went away, and I to the office and dispatch much business. So in the evening, my wife and I and Jane over the water to the Halfway-house, a pretty, pleasant walk, but the wind high. So home again and to bed.</span></p>
<p>the forest showed me how<br />
to know by not knowing</p>
<p>took me out of myself<br />
and back like a brook</p>
<p>head like a bauble<br />
bought with some trouble</p>
<p>at night I see to the bottom<br />
of all my accounts</p>
<p><em><br />
Erasure poem derived from The Diary of Samuel Pepys, <a href="http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/06/20/" rel="nofollow">Friday 20 June 1662</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>Maker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2025 13:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[in ignorance 
I write my life out 

yesterday's paper 
may tell me raw things 

taking place 
in any earhole 

and I may make 
other music]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #dddddd;">Up by 4 o’clock in the morning, and read Cicero’s Second Oration against Catiline, which pleased me exceedingly; and more I discern therein than ever I thought was to be found <span style="color: #000000;">in</span> him; but I perceive it was my <span style="color: #000000;">ignorance</span>, and that he <span style="color: #000000;">i</span>s as good a <span style="color: #000000;">write</span>r as ever I read in <span style="color: #000000;">my life</span>.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">By and by to Sir G. Carteret’s, to talk with him ab<span style="color: #000000;">out</span> <span style="color: #000000;">yesterday’s</span> difference at the office; and offered my service to look into any old books or <span style="color: #000000;">paper</span>s that I have, that <span style="color: #000000;">may</span> make for him. He was well pleased therewith, and did much inveigh against Mr. Coventry; <span style="color: #000000;">tell</span>ing <span style="color: #000000;">me</span> how he had done him service in the Parliament, when Prin had d<span style="color: #000000;">raw</span>n up <span style="color: #000000;">things</span> against him for <span style="color: #000000;">taking</span> of money for <span style="color: #000000;">place</span>s; that he did at his desire, and upon his, letters, keep him off from do<span style="color: #000000;">in</span>g it. And m<span style="color: #000000;">any</span> other things he told me, as how the King was beholden to him, and in what a miserable condition his family would be, if he should die before he hath cl<span style="color: #000000;">ear</span>ed his accounts. Upon the w<span style="color: #000000;">hole</span>, I do find that he do much esteem of me, and is my friend, <span style="color: #000000;">and I may make</span> good use of him.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">Thence to several places about business, among <span style="color: #000000;">other</span>s to my brother’s, and there Tom Beneere the barber trimmed me.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">Thence to my Lady’s, and there dined with her, Mr. Laxton, Gibbons, and Goldgroove with us, and after dinner some <span style="color: #000000;">musique</span>, and so home to my business, and in the evening my wife and I, and Sarah and the boy, a most pleasant walk to Halfway house, and so home and to bed.</span></p>
<p>in ignorance<br />
I write my life out</p>
<p>yesterday&#8217;s paper<br />
may tell me raw things</p>
<p>taking place<br />
in any earhole</p>
<p>and I may make<br />
other music</p>
<p><em><br />
Erasure poem derived from The Diary of Samuel Pepys, <a href="http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/06/13/" rel="nofollow">Friday 13 June 1662</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>Psalm Ending with a Howl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2025 13:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[open the knives  of my heart to rust  blooming like a sunset]]></description>
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<p>open the knives<br />
of my heart to rust<br />
blooming like a sunset</p>
<p>the earth&#8217;s stillborn twin<br />
glows with purloined light<br />
dimming the stars</p>
<p>and the midnight creek<br />
has one or two things to say<br />
it shimmers as it should</p>
<p>a freight train<br />
labors up the valley<br />
wailing at every crossroads</p>
<p>I feel a howl<br />
uncurling like a leaf<br />
from its shrink-wrapped fist</p>
<p>almost full will do<br />
for an almost fool<br />
to raise his coyote muzzle</p>
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		<title>Way</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[on the road we talk 
to God where there 
is nothing 

but us and the way 
born again]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #dddddd;">At the office all the morning, and at no<span style="color: #000000;">on</span> my father, mother, and my aunt Bell (the first time that ever she was at my house) come to dine with me, and were very merry. After dinner <span style="color: #000000;">the</span> two women went to visit my aunt Wight, &amp;c., and my father about other business, and I ab<span style="color: #000000;">road</span> to my bookseller, and there staid till four o’clock, at which time by appointment I went to meet my father at my uncle Fenner’s. So thither I went and with him to an alehouse, and there came Mr. Evans, the taylor, whose daughter we have had a mind to get for a wife for Tom, and then my father, and there <span style="color: #000000;">we</span> sat a good while and <span style="color: #000000;">talk</span>ed about the business; in fine he told us that he hath not <span style="color: #000000;">to</span> except against us or our motion, but that the estate that <span style="color: #000000;">God</span> hath blessed him with is too great to give <span style="color: #000000;">where there is nothing</span> in present possession <span style="color: #000000;">but</span> a trade and ho<span style="color: #000000;">us</span>e; and so we friendly ended. There parted, my father <span style="color: #000000;">and</span> I toge<span style="color: #000000;">the</span>r, and walked a little<span style="color: #000000;"> way</span>, and then at Hol<span style="color: #000000;">born</span> he and I took leave of one another, he being to go to Brampton (to settle things <span style="color: #000000;">again</span>st my mother comes) tomorrow morning.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">So I home.</span></p>
<p>on the road we talk<br />
to God where there<br />
is nothing</p>
<p>but us and the way<br />
born again</p>
<p><em><br />
Erasure poem derived from The Diary of Samuel Pepys, <a href="http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/08/29" rel="nofollow">Thursday 29 August 1661</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>Gateless gate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2024 00:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[who would have the whole 
mystery of absence 

a profane door to the temple 
a gate to go out 

to be in some inconvenience 
wholly at home]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #dddddd;">To Whitehall to my Lord, <span style="color: #000000;">who</span> did tell me that he <span style="color: #000000;">would have</span> me go to Mr. Townsend, whom he had ordered to discover to me <span style="color: #000000;">the whole mystery of</span> the Wardrobe, and none else but me, and that he will make me deputy with him for fear that he should die in my Lord’s <span style="color: #000000;">absence</span>, of which I was glad.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">Then to the Cook’s with Mr. Shepley and Mr. Creed, and dined together, and then I went to the Theatre and there saw Bartholomew Faire, the first time it was acted now a-days. It is a most admirable play and well <span style="color: #000000;">a</span>cted, but too much <span style="color: #000000;">prophane</span> and abusive.</span><br />
<span style="color: #dddddd;">From thence, meeting Mr. Creed at the <span style="color: #000000;">door</span>, he and I went <span style="color: #000000;">to the</span> tobacco shop under <span style="color: #000000;">Temple</span> B<span style="color: #000000;">a</span>r <span style="color: #000000;">gate</span>, and there went up <span style="color: #000000;">to</span> the top of the house and there sat drinking Lambeth ale a <span style="color: #000000;">go</span>od while. Then away home, and in my way called upon Mr. Rawlinson (my uncle Wight being <span style="color: #000000;">out</span> of town), for his advice <span style="color: #000000;">to</span> answer a letter of my uncle Ro<span style="color: #000000;">be</span>rt, where<span style="color: #000000;">in</span> he do offer me a purchase to lay some money upon, that joynes upon <span style="color: #000000;">some</span> of his own lands, and pla<span style="color: #000000;">in</span>ly telling me that the reason of his advice is the <span style="color: #000000;">convenience</span> that it will give me as to his estate, of which I am exceeding glad, and am advised to give up<span style="color: #000000;"> wholly</span> the disposal of my money to him, let him do wh<span style="color: #000000;">at</span> he will with it, which I shall do. So <span style="color: #000000;">home</span> and to bed.</span></p>
<p>who would have the whole<br />
mystery of absence</p>
<p>a profane door to the temple<br />
a gate to go out</p>
<p>to be in some inconvenience<br />
wholly at home</p>
<p><em><br />
Erasure poem derived from The Diary of Samuel Pepys, <a href="http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/06/08/" rel="nofollow">Saturday 8 June 1661</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>Mothers’ Day Psalm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2024 21:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yours is the thorn that suckles us the marsupial pouch in which we play king of the hill yours is the rare orchid appointed to a moth no one has ever seen yours the corals whose cities shone like nothing from a planning committee and yours the epidemics the cancers the blights a creativity as &#8230; <p class="link-more"><a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2024/05/mothers-day-psalm/" class="more-link">Continue reading<span class="screen-reader-text"> "Mothers’ Day Psalm"</span></a></p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yours is the thorn that suckles us<br />
the marsupial pouch in which we play king of the hill</p>
<p>yours is the rare orchid appointed<br />
to a moth no one has ever seen</p>
<p>yours the corals whose cities shone<br />
like nothing from a planning committee</p>
<p>and yours the epidemics the cancers the blights<br />
a creativity as limitless as time and space</p>
<p>oh Nature soften the hearts<br />
of all your little pharoahs<br />
so we don’t have to overthrow them</p>
<p>and let those who insist you must be male<br />
give birth through their penises</p>
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		<title>Worship Services</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Bonta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2024 02:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[blogging as if it’s 2003 again Imagine venerating something you don’t understand. Imagine venerating anything you do understand. * Nothing and nobody needs or deserves veneration. Every living being deserves the care and respect you’d extend to your own kin. * What’s the difference between respect and veneration? Showing respect is part of a social &#8230; <p class="link-more"><a href="https://www.vianegativa.us/2024/02/worship-services/" class="more-link">Continue reading<span class="screen-reader-text"> "Worship Services"</span></a></p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>blogging as if it’s 2003 again</em></p>
<p><img data-recalc-dims="1" loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?resize=525%2C394&#038;ssl=1" class="size-full wp-image-66029" width="525" height="394" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?resize=450%2C337&amp;ssl=1 450w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?resize=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1 600w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C112&amp;ssl=1 150w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1151&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1535&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https://i0.wp.com/www.vianegativa.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/img_2652-scaled.jpg?w=1050&amp;ssl=1 1050w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px" /></p>
<p>Imagine venerating something you don’t understand.</p>
<p>Imagine venerating anything you <em>do</em> understand.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>Nothing and nobody needs or deserves veneration. Every living being deserves the care and respect you’d extend to your own kin.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>What’s the difference between respect and veneration? Showing respect is part of a social dance; the consideration you show to another mirrors the consideration you hope they show to you. This is essential to the harmonious functioning of society. Veneration is tantamount to worship. It presumes a lowering of the head and a bending of the knee. Of course there are powers unimaginably greater than us that may inspire fear or awe. Groveling in the dirt does nothing to help our understanding, not to mention being a terrible basis for a relationship.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>We do need sacred places—and by sacred, I mean inviolate. Sovereign. Wild. Such places are essential checks on human pride, reminders that reality itself is beyond our everyday knowing, and that only through meditation, prayer, or absorption into the flow of creation (e.g. by sketching or composing poems), can we have any hope of reintegrating with the cosmos.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>Any contemporary theological system must take into account new findings about genes and cells and the microbiome. It might for example stress that we have inherited things via gene transfer from beings other than our ancestors; that symbiosis more than competition tends to be how disparate creatures interact; and that we each contain a wilderness vital to our health. I mean, for starters.</p>
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