My thanks too for this excursion, enhanced by the rhythmic sound of your footsteps, Dave and Clive, on the Welsh country road. Clive’s wonderfully lucid and modest explanations about his work remind me of the animated video of his maquette: pieces at first simply laid out on the table, then springing into life, a vivid choreography eventually becoming eternalised as paintings. Peter must be thanked too for giving Clive the steady encouragement to take this road and stay on it. Dave, your questions and your contributions were essential to this conversation and I’m so glad you recorded it.